The children of John Curling and Mercy Long of St Laurence, Thanet, married 1693/4

John Curling married Mercy Longe at St Lawrence 17 Jan 1693/4 (confirmed in IGI see also Tyler Index to Parish Registers, 1538-1874 on Ancestry. Findmypast gives Canterbury Marriage Lic).

The History and Antiquities of the Church and parish of St Laurence Thanet in the County of Kent by Charles Cotton provides the basis for most of not all the family trees published on the descendants of John and Mercy Curling. Our aim here is to validate Cotton’s findings. The relevant part of Cotton’s record is:

William Curling married in 1651 Ann Maxted who was living in 1660, by whom he had issue one son and two daughters; his Will is dated 1660, and proved in 1662 at Canterbury; of the daughters Elizabeth and Ann nothing is known, but the son John Curling married Mercy Long on the 17th January, 1693, by whom he had eleven children. In 1713 he built North Chilton House, which, though modernised, and with wooden transoms and mullions is yet standing as the farm-house.

The old house at Chilton of which we give an illustration taken from a very rare water-colour drawing was called South Chilton House, it stood at the opposite corner of the road, diagonally, in the garden behind the present Chilton Tavern, and also belonged to the Curlings, some of whom continued to reside there until it was demolished at the commencement of the present century.

John Curling made his Will Feb. 27th, 1720, which was proved in 1721 by Daniel his son, sole executor. Of his eleven children, six were daughters, of whom Mercy married George Osborne of Lidden, near Dover; Elizabeth married William Harnett of Spratling Street, in the parish of St. Laurence; Ann married Henry Belsey, of Coldred Walsingham; Mary married Peter Harnett, and Margaret married Capt. Martin Read; Jane died unmarried, before her father. Of the sons, John Curling married Elizabeth Kirby of Thanet; Daniel Curling appears to have succeeded his father at Chilton; Alexander Curling married Mary Rainier; Thomas Curling seems to have died unmarried; and William Curling married Ann Shepherdson.

Cotton refers to the will of John Curling made 27 Feb 1720 without indicating any of the content. In fact the will confirms John’s wife as Mercy and specifies his sons as Daniel, Alexander, Thomas, William and John and his daughters as Ann, Mary, Margaret, Mercy (wife of George Osborne) and Elizabeth (wife of Henry Harnett). John’s wife Mercy was to inherit the estate and at her death or on her remarriage her children Daniel, Alexander, Thomas were to inherit her late husband’s principal property at St Peters; William was to inherit other property in St Peters. Ann, Mary and Margaret were left £100 each. John, Mercy and Elizabeth received 20 shillings each. Daniel was sole executor and was to receive the residue after all the other bequests had been made. It is curious that the bequests were so unequal. Cotton does not refer at all to the will (A97 131) of Mercy Curling of Ramsgate, Thanet widow, dated Nov. 13, 1759 and proved 31 March 1765. This document provides an excellent starting point to validate the family of John and Mercy. In her will Mercy refers to:

  • my son John and his 4 children 20 shillings? each
  • my late son Daniel and his 4 children 20 Shillings each,
  • my late son Alexander and his 4 children 20 shillings each,
  • my late son Thomas and his 3 children,
  • my son William and his 7 children 20 shillings each,
  • my late daughter Elizabeth Harnett and
  • her daughter Mary married to William Stock, £5
  • her daughter Thomasine wife of John Maxted £5
  • her daughter Mercy married to Thomas Hollands £10
  • her daughters Ann Harnett and Dorothy £10,
  • her sons Peter, Henry and John £10.
  • my late daughter Ann Belsey and her 4 children,
  • my daughter Mary wife of Peter Harnett a pair of salts, her daughter Mercy another pair of salts,
  • my late daughter Margaret Read and her 3children £20 each,
  • my daughter Mercy Osborn share of the residue (with Mary Harnett).

The burial of Mercy Curling at St Lawrence was 14 March 1765 (Tyler Index).

The two wills substantiate most of Cotton’s conclusions regarding the family of John and Mercy. All those mentioned in the wills are covered by Cotton except for Jane who is not included in either will and presumably predeceased her parents (if she was a daughter at all which we have not been able to confirm). Mercy’s will shows that Thomas did in fact marry and had three children and John’s will is clear that his daughter Elizabeth married Henry Harnett and not William Harnett as Cotton claims.

Cotton gives little or no indication of the dates of birth (or baptism), marriage or death of the children. He does give a date of death of John and Mercy’s son Daniel “at the age of 45 in 1715”. This is clearly wrong as Daniel was born about 1700 and married in 1723. We believe the true date is 1745.

Familysearch provides baptisms for some of John and Mercy’s children at St Lawrence:

Mercy baptised 1 Feb 1695

John baptised 27 Jan 1696/7

Elizabeth baptised 4 Nov 1698

Daniel baptised 2 Nov 1700 Tyler had 2 Sep 1700

Margaret baptised 20 Mar 1711

The following birth/baptisms have not yet been found:

Alexander said to be born 1704 There is an IGI submitted bap 25 Jun 1704 St L but to John and Mary (possibly a mistake for Mercy).

William born ca 1715 (from age at death).

Ann baptism not found born1698?

Mary baptism 4 Nov 1698 (Tyler will transcript notes – NB this is the same as Elizabeth).

Thomas there is a submitted record on IGI baptised 3 Feb 1706 St L

Familysearch also provides some of the marriages which support Cotton’s findings:

Ann married Henry Belsey at Lydden 25 May 1723. Find mypast has just 1723 ex Canterbury Marriage Lic.

Mary married Peter Harnett at St Margaret Canterbury 04 Dec 1736. There is also a marriage of Mary Curling to Henry Harnett 04 Jul 1745 at Lydden to explain.

Margaret married Martin Read at Woodnesborough 18 Feb 1733

Alexander married Mary Rainer or Reinier St L 6 Jan 1725 IGI, Findmypast has ex Canterbury Marriage Licences

William married Ann Shepherdson Canterbury Cathedral 9 Nov 1738 ex IGI see also Canterbury Marriage Lic. Not absolutely sure this is the only possibilty.

Daniel married Elizabeth Pamfleet at St Peter 23 Apr 1723 Findmypast just has 1723 ex Canterbury Marriage Lic.

One of the marriages proposed by Cotton can be supported by indirect evidence

Mercy we know from John’s will that his daughter married an George Osborne. The marriage has not been found but the baptisms of Mercy Osborne’s children show he was George Osborne.

Two of the marriages that Cotton proposes that are wrong or in serious doubt:

Elizabeth Cotton concludes that she married William Harnett of Spratling Street, in the parish of St. Laurence. In fact she married Henry Harnett [Tyler note CML Henry Harnett of St. L ba & Eliz Curling same place spr at St. L. 16 June 1720] Findmypast has Canterbury ML 1720 and definitely to Henry. Moreover the children of Elizabeth and Henry Harnett agree with the those cited in Mercy’s will and there are no children for William and ELizabeth Harnett. There is a slight anomaly here as John made his will in Feb 1720 and refers to Elizabeth as wife of Henry Harnett – is this related to the year end change?

John we can find no marriage record for the marriage of John Curling to Elizabeth Kirby nor any children for this couple.

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11 Responses to The children of John Curling and Mercy Long of St Laurence, Thanet, married 1693/4

  1. judy adams's avatar judy adams says:

    I have a Thomas curling whom had henry 1725 (died 1828), Thomas in 1727 and Sarah (1733 died same year) with his wife Sarah (marriage unknown) whom I believe died in 1741 which would put his death before Marcy and his birth before 1713 more likely nearer 1706. Sarah I believe died in 1767. of course that would mean there would be one other child as two of the above died. both Thomases were my 5th and 6th great grandfathers. what do you think?

    • clive boyce's avatar clive boyce says:

      Judy, Thank you this is an interesting idea. The St Lawrence Memorial Transcriptions http://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/Research/Libr/MIs/MIsRamsgate/01.htm
      give: Thomas CURLING died 11th June 1741 aged 45 years. Also Sarah, wife of above, died 24th September 1767 aged 69 years. So Thomas was born ca 1696 and his wife Sarah was born ca 1698. There is a marriage of Thomas Curling to Sarah Tickner 1724, ex Findmypast given as London Diocese ex Boyd’s which is possibly the marriage you are looking for. The year fits with the birth of their son Henry in 1725.

      The St Lawrence MIs also give:
      Sarah CURLING died 23rd February 1775 aged 10 years 7 months. Also Thomas Curling died 2nd November 1812 aged 85 years. Also Mary, his wife, died 14th September 1814 aged 86 years.
      This probably refers to Thomas bap 1727 . Did he marry Mary and did they have a daughter Sarah born 1765?
      Ancestry has a submitted tree with Thomas Curling’s wife as Mary Culmer, married 31 Jul 1755 and three children: Josiah 1757 – 1827, Sarah 1764 – (fits with the death above) and Thomas 1768 – 1841. Are these your records? Clive Boyce

  2. judy adams's avatar judy adams says:

    YES Thomas’ wife Sarah was a Tickner. her mother and father were henry Tickner and Sarah Curling. Henry married Sarah 18 Jan 1693 in Thanet. henry parents were indeed Robert and Ann Harnett. Below are the death details.

    KENT ARCHAEOLOGICAL SOCIETY

    St Lawrence (Laurence), Ramsgate, Thanet

    23. Robert TICKNOR, Sen. died 11th October 1715 aged 75 years. Left issue 5 sons and 5 daughters. Also Anne Ticknor died 23rd January 1731 aged 82 years.

    24. Henry TICKNOR died 9th January 1730 aged 61 years. Also Elizabeth, his daughter, died 2nd November 1750 aged 46 years. Also Sarah, his wife, died 2nd October 1760 aged 91 years.

    http://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/Research/Libr/MIs/MIsRamsgate/01.htm

    this means that Sarah curling (Sarah Tickners mother) was born around 1669. there are two possible sets of parents John and Sarah and George and Ann baptised within days of each other (1 march and 24 Feb 1669). the children i have located so far for Henry Tickner and Sarah curling were Mary, Ann, Sarah, Henry, Elizabeth, John, Henry, Robert and Catherine. as there is no George but there is a John i feel that Sarah was the daughter of John and Sarah.

    So far i have not got any further with Thomas curling and have not yet looked any further at Robert and Ann.

  3. judy adams's avatar judy adams says:

    UPDATE having found and got Thomas curling (husband of Sarah) will dated death jun 1741. it reviles that his parents were Thomas and Elizabeth and that the St Lawrence mi transcriptions are wrong. he was in fact baptised in 1689.

    secondly it seems that join and mercy’s son John was possible married to a mary and that he died a short time before the baptism of their son Thomas in 8 April 1741 the baptism notes Thomas son of Thomas recently deceased and Mary.

    so the mystery is solved.

    • JUDY ADAMS's avatar JUDY ADAMS says:

      ‘join and mercy’s son John was possible married’ SHOULD READ ‘join and mercy’s son THOMAS was possible married’

  4. judy's avatar judy says:

    these are taken from
    KENT FAMILY HISTORY SOCIETY
    Publication CD-ROM 29
    Parish Registers Volume 15
    St Lawrence, Thanet, Kent (Ramsgate)
    Baptisms 1559-1938

    ENTRY DATE NAME PARENTS

    5942 1694/95 Feb 1 Mercey D of John & Mercey CURLING
    6064 1696/97 Jan 27 John S of John & Mercy CURLING
    6177 1698 Nov 4 Elizabeth D of John & Mercey CURLING
    6295 1700 Nov 2 Daniel S of John & Mercy CURLINGE
    6426 1702 Dec 29 Ann D of John & Mercy CURLINGE
    6548 1704/05 Mar 25 Alexander S of John & Mercy CURLINGE
    6658 1706/07 Feb 3 Thomas S of John & Mary CURLING (transcriptions are iffy)
    6778 1709 Mar 29 Mary D of John & Mercy CURLINGE
    6908 1710/11 Mar 20 Mary D of John & Mercy CURLINGE
    7048 1713 May 6 Jane D of John & Mercy CURLINGE
    7175 1715 Jul 1 William S of John & Mercy CURLINGE

    • clive boyce's avatar clive boyce says:

      Many thanks. I agree on the baptisms except I have Margaret rather than Mary bap 20 Mar 1711. This tallies with her parents wills and she married Martin Read at Woodnesborough 1733.
      We are struggling to get back further by going through lots of wills. Have you been able to make progress.
      Again very many thanks for your interest.
      Clive

      • judy's avatar judy says:

        HI we are getting several curling wills transcribed by a rainier descendent who has a very good ability in reading these old wills there are 20 plus which she has either done or is in the final stages of doing. i have not looked at them as yet in any detail but will do so to see what they say and if we can move further back in the line. currently i only have John as a husband of mercy long who is a cousin but as i do go back to mathew and george curling current end of lines who are whatever great grandfathers (not got my full tree up on my comp as i write) i am sure he will at least be come a cousin in his own right.

  5. judy's avatar judy says:

    as i said the transcriptions on the disc is somewhat iffy so i too am sure it should read as Margaret.

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